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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:18 pm 
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Hi LaxXsinDjihl,

Thank you very much for the information. Iroquois people are known for working construction on very high places.

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 11:04 am 
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If you go to the University of Victoria website, they have an Aboriginal Governance program. Mr Alfred is quite prominent in the field. There is a short bio of him, as well as lots of great information about the strides that First Nations in Canada are taking to re-assert their rights and title. :D

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 6:57 pm 
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Hi LaxXsinDjihl,

Thank you very much for the information. It seems to me Canada is much better at recognizing people than the U.S. The U.S. government is fond of telling people they don't exist. The Metis people are recognized in Canada. They even have their own flag as well as their own language and culture. The U.S. government does not recognize the Metis people.

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 8:15 pm 
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are you metis theresa?


Theresa13 wrote:
Hi LaxXsinDjihl,

Thank you very much for the information. It seems to me Canada is much better at recognizing people than the U.S. The U.S. government is fond of telling people they don't exist. The Metis people are recognized in Canada. They even have their own flag as well as their own language and culture. The U.S. government does not recognize the Metis people.

Walk In Balance,
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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:23 am 
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Theresa13 wrote:
Hi LaxXsinDjihl,
...It seems to me Canada is much better at recognizing people than the U.S. The U.S. government is fond of telling people they don't exist....Deer


Our historic conflicts with these settler governments evolved quite differently. What we each have today is a reflection of those differing experiences. And the treaty making processes in Canada had influenced our modern relationships in different ways. Take this recent event for example:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/03/08/pol-metis-supreme-court-land-dispute.html

Who knows what our relationships will look like in the future? Legally, historical-wrongs still have consequences. Particularly in the case of oppressed peoples.


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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:27 pm 
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Canadian law is still based on British Common Law. Fortunately for the First Nations, England relied quite heavily on Aboriginal support during her quest for domination in North America. This resulted in a policy that was much more "Native-Friendly". King George's Royal Proclamation of 1776 (which protects Aboriginal Rights & Title) was also a major factor in the American Revolution. This gave rise to two very different countries, with very different Aboriginal policies.
Makes me glad I come from a Nation north of the 49th...

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:36 pm 
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i should think a comfortable existence could be made there.......

clean water, clean air,natural resources an such........

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:32 pm 
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LaxXsinDjihl wrote:
...King George's Royal Proclamation of 1776...

Or did you mean the Royal Proclamation of 1763?
Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763
BTW, the 250th anniversary of that document is coming up on October 7th of this year.


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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
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your right, 1763

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:37 pm 
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Did any of you hear of the latest controversy among Harper's government?

He wants all those who don't agree with his hidden agenda to be identified or some such.

In a relatively recent Reader's Digest poll, Canadians identified him as the least trusted individual in Canada.

Recently found a book too on how corrupt the Mulroney government was. And that was how many years ago?


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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:27 am 
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Any time the Conservative Party is in power in Ottawa, First Nations can expect to have their land & treaty rights attacked. The right wing panders to the old, white, rich crowd and thrives on negative stereotypes of our people. At best, we may get the government to launch an "inquiry" but that never goes anywhere. When little reserves in Northern Ontario and NWT were dying of H1N1, and dirty water, Ottawa sent BODYBAGS! Thanks Harper!

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
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i do not know of a trustworthy canadian or american aboriginal leader

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 Post subject: Re: When Aboriginal Leaders don't listen to their own people
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LaxXsinDjihl wrote:
I remember reading Alfred's Indigenous Manifesto. Although he's stationed at Victoria, I believe he is Iroquois. In the manifesto, he attacks the Delgamuukw case, along with other approaches that Nations in the west have taken. We are all entitled to our opinions, however his lack of experience (how can he have ANY, being from the east) in the coastal culture is glaring. We are just too different, to be taking advice from a peoples so far away.


That manifesto, i did not read closely, as nothing "jumped out" at me in it, particularly (nothing too different from a lot of other books i read). i suggest his book Wasase, or just listening to him on youtube.

My understanding is that Taiaiake is of the Kanienkehaka (spelling?) Mohawk nation, tho he speaks of unifying Indigenous excellence via the term "Onkwehonewe".

Pretty interesting challenge to him, btw. Re: "how can he have ANY experience, being from the east?" That he (or friends) did not take you on, seems to me to be an answer in its own way. i'll just leave it at that, for now.

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